With the release of Preseason 5's jungle, plenty of experienced junglers are falling like flies to the stronger, more sophisticated creep camps.
While I haven't had the chance to do extensive testing on in the new jungle, North American challenger tier player Nightblue3 recently put together a quick guide detailing his thoughts on new jungle paths.
Check it out below!
Smiting RED gives HP back, smiting BLUE gives mana back
Sustain Junglers:
- Fiddlesticks
- Warwick
- Pantheon
- Elise
Start first buff(leash) -> second buff(smite it) -> camp afterwards
SSJ: I believe he means you can start at either red or blue as you have the sustain to polish off either one the second buffs by yourself, and then head to any other jungle camp after you get both buffs. I'm a little confused why he considers Pantheon a sustain jungler, but I guess it's because of his shield?Non-sustain/low sustain junglers:
- Rengar
- Kha'zix
- Wukong
- Udyr
Tentative Tier List (A-Z Order)
SSJ: Take the below with a grain of salt, while Nightblue3 is indeed a very good jungler and his guesses are a good starting point to go off of, feel free to test and develop your own strategies! Personally I have won't have any idea what I'm doing until at least this weekend, so this will be where I'm starting from as well.
* = More likely to get this item
Strong Junglers:
- Elise - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Fiddlesticks - (Stalkers ->Magus)
- Kha'Zix - (Rangers->Warrior, Max W Evolve W every game? ) ** be very careful pre level-3 **
- Lee (*Rangers or Poacher->Warrior)
- Nasus - (*Rangers or Stalkers -> Juggernaut) *try juggernaut into trinity force (maybe finish trinity before juggernaut)*
- Nunu - (Rangers->Juggernaut) 9-21
- Pantheon - (Rangers->Warrior)
- Rengar - (*Rangers or Skirmishers->Devourer) ** be very careful pre level-3 **
- Shaco - (Rangers->Warrior) ** Will do more testing for tank shaco (full tank after Warrior) & DPS shaco (shiv/tiamat) ** *test ap quint shaco*
- Shyvana - (Rangers->Devourer)
- Sion - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Udyr - (Rangers->Devourer) ** need to test Rangers->Juggernaut ** Skill order: R,Q,E,W Max Order: R>W>E>Q make 2 rune pages: 1 attack speed runes/masteries | 1 cdr runes/masteries
- Vi - (*Rangers or Skirmishers(if they have invis champ)->Warrior) ** be very careful pre level-3 **
- Warwick - (Skirmishers->Devourer)
- Wukong - (Rangers->Warrior) ** be very careful pre level-3 **
- Zac - *ap quints* (Rangers->Juggernaut)
Other Misc Junglers:
- Aatrox - (*Skirmishers or Rangers->Devourer)
- AP Amumu - (Rangers->Magus)
- Diana - (Rangers->Magus)
- Gragas - (Rangers->Magus)
- Hecarim 21-9 - (Rangers->Warrior)
- Jarvan - (Rangers->Warrior)
- Maokai - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Nautilus - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Nocturne - (Rangers or Stalkers or *Skirmishers (still needs testing)-> Devourer
- Sejuani - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Skarner - (Rangers->Warrior or Juggernaut(Still needs testing)
- Tank Amumu - (Rangers->Juggernaut) * if you are going to play amumu go AP quints or clear will be hard *
- Trundle - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Volibear - (*Rangers or Skirmisher's, still needs testing -> Juggernaut)
Needs More Testing:
- AD Malzahar - (Rangers->Warrior)
- Cho'Gath - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Eve - (Stalkers or *Rangers-> *Warrior or Magus (still needs testing, try warrior then trinity force)) *Save chilling smite for ganks*
- Master Yi - (*Skirmisher's or Rangers-> Devourer)
- Mundo cloth start - (Rangers->Juggernaut)
- Rammus - (Ranger's -> Juggernaut)
- Xin Zhao - (*Rangers or Skirmishers -> *Warrior or Devourer)
Timers:
1min 40s spawn
- Raptors
- Gromp
- Wolves
- Golems
3 min spawn
- Crab
Razor Sharp(Oracles) lasts for 1min 30s
TESTING Jungle Clear Speed/Routes with Jarvan:
Blue Side:- Red start (no smite leash) -> blue buff camp -> back afterwards Level 2: 2:18 Level 3: 3:14 Ganking Time: 3:14 with 3/4hp
- Golem start (no smite leash) -> red buff wraiths -> go back and straight to blue Level 2: 2:28 Level 3: 2:54 Ganking Time: 3:45
- Gromp start (no smite leash) -> blue buff -> wolves ->go back and straight to red Level 2: 2:08 Level 3: 2:54 Ganking Time: 3:48
- Alternative options (still needs testing): smite your blue after leash -> gromp -> wolves after : smite gromp after leash do blue wolves after
- Blue start no smite leash to red buff camp afterwards Level 2: Level 3: Ganking Time:
- Gromp start no smite leash to blue buff wolves go back and straight to red Level 2: Level 3: Ganking Time:
- Golem start no smite leash to red buff wraiths go back and straight to blue Level 2: Level 3: Ganking Time:
XP Table (Coming Soon):
First camp gives 300 xp, buff gives 200 xp. second gromp gives 160?DOs & DONTs:
DOs:
- Counter Jungle
- Leave one little monster
- Clear buffs completely if you have time so you can get the timer and xp
- Smite Wraiths
- Smite enemy Wolves
- Try to save smite for wraiths if you don’t need it to kill buffs
- Start bot side (on the golem camp/gromp) with carry junglers (rengar,kha’zix)
- Ask for strong leash (to 10-20% HP on first camp)
- Buy Skirmisher if they have invis lane champ (akali,talon,rengar,shaco,vayne) if you can afford to (not talking about gold, talking about jungler needs)
- Juggle (run back and forth to reaggro dragon while it’s charging up it’s auto attack) dragon (very easy to do now)
DONTs:
- Smite Crab (unless contested)
- Buy Stalkers on carry junglers who farm (Rengar, Kha’Zix, Jarvan)
- Try to do risky barons
- Early dragons with non sustain junglers
- You can smite any camp if you are going to back afterwards, or wraiths are not up
NOTES:
- Harder to maintain vision control & start dragons in this patch
- Tank Junglers are a lot better in this season due to itemization, scaling, and carry junglers having a tougher time early. (Does not mean tank junglers are better than carry junglers)
- If you are playing a feral flare (devourer) jungler, buy it ASAP to start stacking
- Hybrid (AD/AP) champions highly benefit from first dragon, securing it becomes priority
- Hard to make poacher’s effective because of the long respawn timers of camps
- If you are playing a carry jungler and don’t get a good leash on your first camp (golems/gromp) just do your first buff after and go back (level 2) straight to your second buff
- General Statement:Efficiency of jungle items (best to worst): Rangers>Skirmishers>Stalkers>Poachers
Thoughts? What has your experience in the new jungle been like? Comment below!
There is no Eve here. Kappa.
ReplyDeleteHe does have Eve on there, under the "needs more testing" part.
ReplyDeleteI didn't search the page for Eve, but Evelynn.. ;_;
ReplyDeleteThis is super helpful.
ReplyDeleteSo basically, we're kind of back to the old S1 and 2 start where we need a leash on wolves or wraiths, then straight to the buffs (red/blue)??
ReplyDeleteIt's a confirmed maybe. I'm fairly certain majority of the junglers can still start on buffs.
ReplyDeleteI try Morgana Jungla and she is very good. Test it.
ReplyDeleteI thought the buffs spawned after the camps?
ReplyDeleteMost do, but it's important to save smite for a more important effect later on. I mean, even though I start blue even with Rengar, it's pointless to smite it since the effect is pretty much useless.
ReplyDeleteEither we'll need a really hard leash or rethink the routes.
i dont think implement that initial pbe change in live server
ReplyDeleteI've been jungling like this:
ReplyDeleteSmite Gromp/Golems but DON'T KILL THEM and do Blue/Red (leash), if you have low sustain then back when you are low health (Hello Kha'zix)
Also, NB3 said Jarvan doesn't need Stalker cause' he farms a lot, I don't agree at all... I gank until the enemy rages
warwick can pretty much solo dragon at level 5 and with just skirmisher (no enchanted yet), 2 pots and a pink ward just in case
ReplyDeletewhy you shouldnt kill gromp/golems?
ReplyDeleteSome people do it and that's ok, but when you do your golem you are gonna struggle a bit
ReplyDeleteBut people will actually start banning ww... I already did for much of last season because of his unfair ganks and gold yoloques inability to properly counter him... expect ww to start being banned more often... this leave my beautiful yeti to be the dark horse that I always wanted him to be
ReplyDeletei noticed you earn less gold in the new jungle, yes its 20% more gold now, but the old gold generating passives are gone, smite is in a higher cd and is more difficult to clear. i think carry junglers will have trouble getting items
ReplyDeleteDude panth level 3 dragon before 5 minutes :D
ReplyDeleteI don't believe you
ReplyDeleteLegit go have a try if you can juggle dragon correctly you can do it easily. best on purple side (havent tried blue side yet) p.s I play on colour blind mode :o
ReplyDeleteTry AD Malzahar. Seriously, super OP at taking Dragon and Baron.
ReplyDeleteEve is ridiculously weak in the new jungle, poor sustain leads to terrible first clears, and she gets executed easily.
ReplyDeleteSurprised to see that Yi was still being tested. On PBE he worked well for me if i just got a solid leash. He's got quite the solid sustain and great damage. I think it goes without saying that stalker-devourer still gives him that same massive damage and snowball potential.
ReplyDeleteSo Wukong is more healthy, that's a good thing to hear
ReplyDeleteActually Wukong's clear is brutal before your first back. You have to really put some thought into your first smite, probably either on gromp or on red right before you get executed...
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised Jarvan's not listed as one of the strong junglers. Because of his safe clear, he's become one of my prime choices; as he can do his 2 buffs and a camp between without leash; and if he gets a leash, he can do 2 buffs, one camp in between and have 70% HP to gank top or mid.
ReplyDeleteHis passive is beastly at low levels, and his E steroid gives him a lot of artificial gold both to you and the leashes (who will be able to sneak an additional AA); not to mention his ganking is really strong.
If it wasn't for the fact over three quarters of the champions popular in today's meta can jump his wall really easily, I think he could be just plain broken.
WW is probably too strong; he can do his 2 buffs without a leash, and then go steal enemy second buff if they needed to go back. His kit is inherently boring and lacks interaction; he probably just needs a rework. I sincerly hope they're cooking one, else he'll get Yasuo'd and we'll forget he ever existed.
ah you mean smite gromp/golems FOR the buff, but dont kill on your first clear and go to do your jungle? well that haves sense, imo both of those are the best smite effects (wolf effect is pretty lame, why i want a seriously short ward in my jungle, maybe at counter-jg; wraith effect is somehow better, a free oracle isnt bad, but you dont get the ward deactivated so the laners will see you clearly killing the ward)
ReplyDeleteim surprised its not mentioned that pantheon is able to do dragon as early as level 1 solo
ReplyDeletepantheon with AS marks and quints, can solo at level 1, dragon now attacks about once every 3 secs (ish), giving you enough time to get your passive up, using q and AA. And is much easier once you have q,w+e you'll never take damage
ReplyDeleteI see that now and expect either ban hammer or nerfs to be incoming
ReplyDeleteI don't know man, she's very obviously dying faster, but as soon as you get some more health you're okay.
ReplyDeleteFirst time using Eve in the Jungle: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1833381658/210712996?tab=builds
That's exactly what I did and it went just as usual :)
ReplyDeletepantheon can do it at level 2 lmfao
ReplyDeletewhy is jungle jax not in this list?
ReplyDeleteI recently read another of NightBlues' posts where it said no to buy a jungle item with fiddle and start amplifying tome? Any idea on which seems to be the better option?
ReplyDeleteum...he can do it level 1. All he needs is his w and attack speed. He does the entire thing with only taking 2-3 hits from dragon
ReplyDeleteI guess it depends on preference. Go tome if you're ganking and snowballing (which is what Fiddle is built for). getting the jungle item hinders that a little. He doesn't need the extra sustain from machete either, the tome will help enough. Though his clear could be great with the rangers maybe, he really doesn't need a smite power, he can get his core item earlier.
ReplyDeleteThis is an early list. He's still managing and updating the list. Here it is so you can stay up-to-date with it, he added a couple more junglers in there a couple days ago
ReplyDeletehttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_l0GPl6LVdYJeqa70Vdfdok4QcgxfebWX34cuzUyGM/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
As I said above, this list is the early workings. Here is the list so you can stay up to date :)
ReplyDeletehttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_l0GPl6LVdYJeqa70Vdfdok4QcgxfebWX34cuzUyGM/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
Well his only sustain has quite the cooldown early, and you can't attack, while the strong sustain junglers damage with their sustain.
ReplyDeletewolf is great just to tab the enemy jungler, cuz you can smite theirs and get vision
ReplyDeletePanth can solo at lvl 3, w/out backing. Trick2g does it. I didn't believe it til I saw it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but idk if just that will get him nerfed. Panth has always been really strong, doing any position except ADC (that I've seen) and just steamrolling his opponents.
ReplyDeleteStart with w/e camp is closest to bot lane, you can get the best leash that way.
ReplyDeleteOh so by crab he means the rift scuttler? I thought he meant the rock crab things that replaced the golems at first
ReplyDeleteYeah you weirdos talking about all kinds of stuff LMAO!!!! WTF! Pantheon solo drag and very early? how? passive, yeah, STUN W. yeah? wtf... the dragon does a lot of dmg.... what... i dont understand.
ReplyDeleteNunu can maybe solo at some point, with Consume and Smite, etc.
Yea the problem is when we are on purple side and I'm playing eehh say Rengar. Gromp and Smite blue?? Sounds like a smite waste if you ask me
ReplyDeleteTaric does very well in the new jungle. Early clear/sustain is great. Mid game clear is very fast. Late game Taric with 40 cdr and the right items is a beast and can 1v1 most champs and 1v2-3 quite a few champ combos.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj33QYc2k74 please get rekt.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention, he's FABULOUS!
ReplyDeleteWell if you look into the link for the jungle guide, rengar would be classified as a low/no sustain champion. So you could either A: smite gromp and then get blue. or B: do the recommended and start Gromp w/ heavy leash, smite blue, get wolves, then back and then go to your red. I would go with option B. get heavy leash on Gromp, allow your passive to get a few stacks. Then you can do blue w/ smite, and after doing wolves and then backing, your smite will be available for red or the birds.
ReplyDeletein case you don't have the link, here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_l0GPl6LVdYJeqa70Vdfdok4QcgxfebWX34cuzUyGM/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
When was this posted? I've seen a guide that has nearly the exact same information....
ReplyDeleteNo Olaf? He's kinda a sustain jungle with vicious strikes
ReplyDeleteNovember 20th 9:26 PM
ReplyDeleteThose are called Krugs, and the Rift Scuttler is actually called the Scuttle Crab.
ReplyDeleteLevel 1
ReplyDeleteIt's really just the first clear that's hard, other than that it's not bad at all.
ReplyDeleteHe still falls off really hard though.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking Olaf can go ranger's into devourer? juggernaut and warrior's also seem like possible options though. Anyone else play Olaf jung in this patch?
ReplyDeleteStalker's is possible to help with ganks, since Olaf's ganks depend on landing his Q.
on Jax I'd say you go Ranger's into Devourer, if carry, Juggernaut if tanky.
ReplyDelete"You can smite any camp if you are going to back afterwards, or wraiths are not up"
ReplyDeleteShouldn't that be in the DO not the DONT?
On Shaco you can kill Gromp with 5 boxes when he spawns, which requires 10% CDR from runes/masteries. Then you get leashed at blue
ReplyDeleteI'd imagine that rito may make his passive not work fully against dragon. That would be a balanced nerf that wouldn't hurt panth too much but would make it where he can't solo drag at 3 minutes lol
ReplyDeleteAny words on if they will? Because right now with blue buff and dagger pantheon can solo drag at level 2...
ReplyDeleteMaybe. That would make more sense
ReplyDeleteWell luckily for carry junglers there is the Rangers item. the AOE stun smite (with a reduced CDR) will really help them out, and they can still get the enchant, to get w/e power they need.
ReplyDeletedoesnt need this as you can also do buff buff camp without leash in new season.
ReplyDeleteAD malza with hextech also works great according to nightblue. never tried out personally.
ReplyDeletehey guys
ReplyDeletewarriors jungle item upgrade stacks cdr and armor pen with brutalizer
just saying
i m sure riot will make changes accordingly before the 2015 season begins. We are still in preseason.
ReplyDeleteSo which is a better jungle choice? Jarvan IV or Pantheon?
ReplyDeleteDefinitely Pantheon.
ReplyDeleteI think it's a note of whole section "Do & Dont", as in his original doc it was wrapped by some star
ReplyDelete**You can smite any camp if you are going to back afterwards, or wraiths are not up**
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_l0GPl6LVdYJeqa70Vdfdok4QcgxfebWX34cuzUyGM/htmlview
It's true Taric does very well against AD-based champions. I'm trying Kayle and Taric for new jungle as well, Pretty good so far but I would not put them to the any tier list - still need more experiments :D .
ReplyDeleteSince the last nerf he became squishy like Riven. Even in old jungle it's feel like there are at least 5 other champions can do better than him.
ReplyDeleteIn new jungle I don't have much time trying yet I think Jax is even less viable (since the new jungle is harder to clear and Jax don't have built-in heal/shield) .
Jax is getting a little buff next patch so that he don't fade into obscurity - but will that little love save him? Or he remains in mediocre zone until his 20 counteres are all nerfed ?
if you hover over the scuttle crab in game it says rift scuttler tho. are they changing it?
ReplyDeleteNope I'm an idiot. It was Scuttle Crab on PBE.
ReplyDeleteWill use in conjunction with my other guide I just bought! I have a friend out there who is super amazing at the game. He wasn't always, he bought a guide book from http://hytil.com when he first started playing with friends, now he does it competitively !
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